Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 124

02/14/2007 01:00 PM House RESOURCES


Download Mp3. <- Right click and save file as

Audio Topic
01:58:57 PM Start
02:00:04 PM Overview: Discussion of a Producer-owned Gas Line with British Petroleum, Conocophillips, and Exxon
03:39:49 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
--Meeting Postponed until after Session--
+ Overview: Discussion of a producer-owned TELECONFERENCED
gas line with BP, ConocoPhillips,
and Exxon
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 14, 2007                                                                                        
                           1:58 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carl Gatto, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Craig Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Vic Kohring                                                                                                      
Representative Bob Roses                                                                                                        
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW:  DISCUSSION OF A PRODUCER-OWNED GAS LINE WITH BRITISH                                                                 
PETROLEUM, CONOCOPHILLIPS, AND EXXON                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
M. E. (MARK) NELSON                                                                                                             
U.S. Joint Interest - Alaska                                                                                                    
ExxonMobil Production Company (ExxonMobil)                                                                                      
Houston, Texas                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Assisted in presenting an overview in                                                                      
support of a producer-owned gas pipeline.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG HAYMES, Production Manager - Alaska                                                                                       
ExxonMobil Production Company (ExxonMobil)                                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an overview in support of a                                                                      
producer-owned gas pipeline.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID VAN TUYL, Gas Commercialization Manager                                                                                   
BP Exploration (Alaska) Inc. (BP)                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented  an  overview  in support  of  a                                                               
producer-owned gas pipeline.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WENDY KING, Director of External Strategies                                                                                     
ConocoPhillips Alaska, Inc. (ConocoPhillips)                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented  an  overview  in support  of  a                                                               
producer-owned gas pipeline.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  CARL   GATTO  called   the  House   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting  to  order at  1:58:57  PM.    Representatives                                                             
Gatto,  Seaton, and  Roses were  present  at the  call to  order.                                                               
Representatives   Guttenberg,  Edgmon,   Kawasaki,  and   Kohring                                                               
arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: DISCUSSION  OF A PRODUCER-OWNED GAS  LINE WITH BRITISH                                                             
PETROLEUM, CONOCOPHILLIPS, AND EXXON                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:00:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO  announced that the  only order of  business would                                                               
be an  overview discussion of  a producer-owned gas line  with BP                                                               
Exploration  (Alaska)  Inc.,  ConocoPhillips  Alaska,  Inc.,  and                                                               
ExxonMobil Production Company.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:00:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
M. E.  (MARK) NELSON,  U.S. Joint  Interest -  Alaska, ExxonMobil                                                               
Production Company (ExxonMobil), introduced Mr. Craig Haymes.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG HAYMES, Production Manager  - Alaska, ExxonMobil Production                                                               
Company  (ExxonMobil),  paraphrased  his  presentation  from  the                                                               
following written statement [original punctuation provided]:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Good  afternoon  Representative  Gatto,  Representative                                                                    
     Johnson and  members of the House  Resources Committee.                                                                    
     My name  is Craig Haymes.   I recently moved  to Alaska                                                                    
     from ExxonMobil Canada, where I  had been involved with                                                                    
     arctic oil and gas  developments and operations for the                                                                    
     past 4  years.  I  have assumed the role  of ExxonMobil                                                                    
     Production Manager for  Alaska, replacing Richard Owen.                                                                    
     Although  I've only  been  here a  short  while, it  is                                                                    
     obvious that this state has a  lot to offer.  My family                                                                    
     and I  are really  excited to  have the  opportunity to                                                                    
     live and work in Alaska.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Mark Nelson  joins me  today.  Mark  has worked  on our                                                                    
     Alaska team for many  years in different capacities and                                                                    
     during the past 3-4 years,  has been part of the Alaska                                                                    
     Gas Commercialization team.  He  has been active in the                                                                    
     fiscal negotiations.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you for the  opportunity to discuss the important                                                                    
     issue of Alaska gas commercialization.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The  Alaska  Gas  Pipeline   project  is  important  to                                                                    
     Alaska, to ExxonMobil, and to  our nation.  The Project                                                                    
     has the  potential to generate  billions of  dollars in                                                                    
     revenues  for the  State of  Alaska,  the U.S.  federal                                                                    
     government, and Canada, and could  provide a stable and                                                                    
     secure  source of  clean energy  for  Alaska and  North                                                                    
     America for  decades to come.   Let me assure  you that                                                                    
     EM  is  ready  to  work with  Governor  Palin  and  her                                                                    
     cabinet and  the Legislature to move  forward on Alaska                                                                    
     gas pipeline development.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     To demonstrate  the project's  significance to  EM, let                                                                    
     me  provide  a  few  numbers.   This  project  has  the                                                                    
     potential to add over 1  billion cubic feet per day (EM                                                                    
     share) of  gas sales for EM,  which is more than  a 10%                                                                    
     increase  to our  current daily  gas  production.   The                                                                    
     Project could  also add over  1 billion  oil equivalent                                                                    
     barrels of  proved reserves - nearly  enough to replace                                                                    
     a full year  of our production.   Given the significant                                                                    
     impact this project could have  on our business, we are                                                                    
     obviously very interested in progressing it.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     EM has  spent more than  $180 million studying  ways to                                                                    
     commercialize  Alaska gas.   Since  the 1970's  we have                                                                    
     evaluated  LNG,   gas  to  liquids  and   gas  pipeline                                                                    
     alternatives.   Based on  our studies,  including those                                                                    
     with BP  and ConocoPhillips, we have  determined that a                                                                    
     Producer gas  pipeline project will result  in the best                                                                    
     value for the State, the Producers and the nation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Because  of the  time and  resources that  EM and  many                                                                    
     others   have   devoted    to   progress   Alaska   gas                                                                    
     development,  we  are  disappointed  that  these  prior                                                                    
     efforts have not resulted in a way to move forward.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Nevertheless,  we made  significant progress  last year                                                                    
     in developing a fiscal  framework necessary to progress                                                                    
     the  project.    However,  we recognize  that  we  must                                                                    
     address the  issues identified  in the  public comments                                                                    
     to  the satisfaction  of the  State and  the Producers.                                                                    
     We are  ready to engage  in a process to  address these                                                                    
     concerns and  will do  this in  a manner  that involves                                                                    
     the Legislature.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     We  understand the  Governor  is currently  considering                                                                    
     proceeding  under an  RFP process.   We  have expressed                                                                    
     our thoughts to the Governor  and are hopeful a process                                                                    
     that  will   lead  to  a  successful   result  will  be                                                                    
     developed.    We  believe  it  is  important  that  the                                                                    
     process not  foreclose any options…flexibility  is very                                                                    
     important.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Let me take  a few minutes to discuss  the magnitude of                                                                    
     this project and the associated risks.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Because  this  project appears  to  be  "simply" a  gas                                                                    
     treating /  gas pipeline  project, the  tendency exists                                                                    
     for all of us to  underestimate the size, magnitude and                                                                    
     risks  associated with  it.   The  Alaska Gas  Pipeline                                                                    
     Project is  a world-scale undertaking  with significant                                                                    
     risks.    In fact,  the  Project  will be  the  largest                                                                    
     private  investment in  North  America -  significantly                                                                    
     larger than  most "model" worldwide oil  and gas "mega"                                                                    
     projects.     There  is  not  really   a  project  that                                                                    
     compares.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Because of  this size,  many factors  impact commercial                                                                    
     viability.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          First there is cost:                                                                                                  
               Our previous estimate of $20 billion ($2001)                                                                     
     is now substantially higher.   Since 2001, steel prices                                                                    
     have nearly  doubled.  Industry and  construction labor                                                                    
     costs  are experiencing  hyperinflation.   In addition,                                                                    
     world-wide  mega-projects   are  placing   pressure  on                                                                    
     global  materials,  contracting  services  and  skilled                                                                    
     manpower.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          Next there is gas price:                                                                                              
               Despite recent increases, natural gas prices                                                                     
     remain  highly volatile.   The  price  before 2000  was                                                                    
     less than the estimated project toll.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Finally, there are many other risks.                                                                                  
               These   include   cost   overruns,   schedule                                                                    
     delays,  construction  conditions, and  regulatory  and                                                                    
     State fiscal  uncertainties.  It  is also  important to                                                                    
     note  that project  investment  will  occur many  years                                                                    
     before gas flows  down the pipeline and is  sold at the                                                                    
     marketplace.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     With  size  comes  complexity,   and  an  even  greater                                                                    
     premium on getting the  design concept, contracting and                                                                    
     marketing  plans right…and  then executing  these plans                                                                    
     efficiently  and effectively.   Most  importantly, size                                                                    
     also  amplifies  the  consequences of  poor  execution.                                                                    
     Maximizing the  value to  the State  of Alaska  and the                                                                    
     resource  holders  means  selecting  the  right  design                                                                    
     concept  for this  mega-project and  then executing  to                                                                    
     deliver the project at the lowest possible cost.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     A  limited number  of companies  have demonstrated  the                                                                    
     capabilities  and  financial  strength  to  effectively                                                                    
     participate  in and  manage world-scale  mega-projects.                                                                    
     The  Producers  are  strongly  represented  as  project                                                                    
     developers   in  mega-projects   worldwide,  and   have                                                                    
     demonstrated success in meeting project objectives.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     It  is   important  to   recognize  that   the  federal                                                                    
     government has  helped address risks by  enacting ANGPA                                                                    
     of  2004 to  provide  regulatory certainty,  completing                                                                    
     FERC  open  season   regulations,  and  establishing  a                                                                    
     Federal  Coordinator position,  which is  held by  Drue                                                                    
     Pearce.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     There are  several reasons why a  Producer Gas Pipeline                                                                    
     Project is the  best way forward.  First,  we believe a                                                                    
     Producer gas  pipeline project  will result  in maximum                                                                    
     value  to the  State and  the Producers.  The Producers                                                                    
     and the  State have maximum incentive  to control cost.                                                                    
     Low  capital and  operating costs,  which results  in a                                                                    
     lower toll, and access  to premium market price results                                                                    
     in higher netback value on gas.   Keep in mind that the                                                                    
     State  will receive  the majority  of its  revenue from                                                                    
     value of gas sales, not from taxes.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     There is no such  incentive for third-party owners, who                                                                    
     benefit from increased capital costs.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     On  a  "mega-project"  of   this  size  and  magnitude,                                                                    
     project   and   operating   experience  should   be   a                                                                    
     significant  consideration.    The Producers  have  the                                                                    
     necessary  project and  operating experience  in Alaska                                                                    
     and world-wide.   Specifically, we  have "mega-project"                                                                    
     experience on  numerous projects world-wide  and Arctic                                                                    
     experience in Alaska and throughout the world.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     In addition, it  is important to remember  that this is                                                                    
     a basin-opening project,  and any basin-opening project                                                                    
     requires alignment between the  host government and the                                                                    
     leaseholders.   The Producers and  the State  both want                                                                    
     to  develop  ANS   gas  and  open  the   basin  to  gas                                                                    
     exploration.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Also,  based  on  the  demand  for  workers  that  this                                                                    
     project will  generate, Alaskans  are obviously  key to                                                                    
     successful project  execution.  Both the  State and the                                                                    
     producers want  Alaskans to benefit  from the  many job                                                                    
     opportunities that will  exist.  When you add  it up, a                                                                    
     producer  pipeline will  provide maximum  value to  the                                                                    
     State of Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Now I would  like to briefly discuss  how gas pipelines                                                                    
     are financed and who ultimately bears project risks.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Commercially-sound  oil,  gas,  and  pipeline  projects                                                                    
     traditionally  have  been   financeable  if  they  have                                                                    
     strong  sponsors  with  proven track  records  and  the                                                                    
     financial strength  to both provide sponsor  equity and                                                                    
     to   backstop   key   project   commitments.      These                                                                    
     commitments  include  any required  completion  support                                                                    
     and firm  transportation agreements, or FT.   While the                                                                    
     contractual  commitments associated  with this  project                                                                    
     will   be  substantial,   the  Producers   possess  the                                                                    
     necessary   financial   strength   to   underpin   such                                                                    
     commitments.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     To provide  financing / funding to  a pipeline project,                                                                    
     financial   institutions    would   generally   require                                                                    
     substantial  firm,   long-term,  ship-or-pay  contracts                                                                    
     provided by  creditworthy "shippers" that own  and ship                                                                    
     the  gas   (i.e.,  the   Producers  and,   directly  or                                                                    
     indirectly, the State).   These contractual commitments                                                                    
     are substantial,  in the tens  of billions  of dollars.                                                                    
     FT commitments  are needed for  a pipeline  investor to                                                                    
     show  creditors  it  has   capacity  confirmed  over  a                                                                    
     sufficient  duration to  secure  financing.   Therefore                                                                    
     pipeline investors  rely on  the financial  strength of                                                                    
     shippers to secure project financing.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Through   project  financing,   shippers  provide   the                                                                    
     underpinning  for the  pipeline  debt  financing.   The                                                                    
     development costs and the  associated over-run risk are                                                                    
     ultimately  borne   by  the  shipper  via   the  tariff                                                                    
     commitment.  Again, we believe  only the Producers have                                                                    
     the  financial  strength/incentive   to  backstop  such                                                                    
     commitments  and  bear  such   risk.    Therefore,  the                                                                    
     Producers cannot make firm  commitments unless they are                                                                    
     confident the  gas pipeline project  can be  built cost                                                                    
     effectively and  operated on a  long-term, commercially                                                                    
     viable  basis, including  being competitive  with other                                                                    
     sources of supply.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Because  of the  nature and  magnitude of  the risks  -                                                                    
     billions   of   dollars   of   financial   commitments,                                                                    
     unprecedented   cost    and   scope,    potential   for                                                                    
     construction  delays -  the  parties  taking the  risks                                                                    
     need to be able to manage those risks.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In closing,  I would like to  reiterate that ExxonMobil                                                                    
     is  committed  to  moving   the  gas  pipeline  project                                                                    
     forward.  Our company  possesses the financial strength                                                                    
     and project experience required  to make this project a                                                                    
     success.   We are ready  to get  to work on  putting in                                                                    
     place  a  framework  that would  make  the  risks  I've                                                                    
     mentioned   manageable  and   allow   the  project   to                                                                    
     progress.   Thank you  for your  attention and  for the                                                                    
     opportunity to talk with you  today.  I look forward to                                                                    
     addressing your questions.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:12:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAYMES,  in  response  to  questions,  reiterated  that  one                                                               
billion cubic feet  (BCF) per day would be  ExxonMobil's share of                                                               
the gas being  moved through the gas line and  that this would be                                                               
a  10   percent  increase  in   the  company's   daily  worldwide                                                               
production.     He  clarified  that  these   figures  are  simply                                                               
ExxonMobil's share  of gas  and that  they do  not relate  to the                                                               
total volume of gas that the  pipeline itself would be capable of                                                               
moving.   He also  clarified that  his comment  regarding "recent                                                               
efforts" was in  relation to the previous  administration and the                                                               
Alaska  Stranded  Gas  [Development] Act,  [not  current  efforts                                                               
under the new governor].                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:14:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAYMES, responding  to  additional  questions, affirmed  his                                                               
statement that estimates  for building the gas line  are now much                                                               
higher  than the  2001 estimate  of $20  billion, and  that these                                                               
estimates are for  building the gas line all the  way to Chicago.                                                               
He related  that the costs  of two other  worldwide mega-projects                                                               
increased by  50 and  100 percent  in the last  three years.   He                                                               
also  noted that  the Upstream  [Capital] Costs  Index (UCCI),  a                                                               
measure of labor and materials such  as steel, went up 53 percent                                                               
between the  years 2005 and 2006.   He acknowledged that  he does                                                               
not know what the current total  estimate is for building the gas                                                               
line  because estimates  are still  being updated,  but that  the                                                               
examples give an idea of  the magnitude of recent cost increases.                                                               
Mr. Haymes  further reported that  he has seen estimates  for the                                                               
gas line in  the range of $30+ billion, but  that those estimates                                                               
are  not  ExxonMobil  estimates.   He  remarked  that  there  has                                                               
clearly been a  "super heated" cost escalation over  the past few                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:18:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG asked  whether ExxonMobil  is prepared                                                               
to  allow the  state access  to  its royalty-in-kind  gas on  the                                                               
North  Slope  and to  allow  transportation  of the  royalty  gas                                                               
through a producer-owned  pipeline, given ExxonMobil's litigation                                                               
against the state over Point Thomson.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES said  he did not have  an answer and will  get back to                                                               
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:20:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES concluded his presentation  by stating that ExxonMobil                                                               
has been  in Alaska for over  50 years and has  invested over $11                                                               
billion in the  state.  He said ExxonMobil will  be in Alaska for                                                               
another 50-100 years and looks  forward to working with the state                                                               
to advance gas development.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:21:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO  asked whether  the First  Nations of  Canada have                                                               
approved the gas line's planned route over their lands.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES said he did not know.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:22:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   GATTO  asked   whether  ExxonMobil   would  still   be                                                               
interested   in  moving   its  Point   Thomson  gas   through  an                                                               
intrastate-only pipeline should a  route through Alberta not come                                                               
to fruition.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haymes said that ExxonMobil  would like to work together with                                                               
the state on a gas pipeline and to progress Point Thomson.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:24:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  inquired as to  whether ExxonMobil  would allow                                                               
gas line  ownership by other  companies that are willing  to make                                                               
firm transportation commitments (FTs).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:24:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAYMES  said he did not  know the answer because  he has only                                                               
been in his new position for  three and one-half weeks.  However,                                                               
he said  that ExxonMobil  is willing  to work  with the  state to                                                               
come up with a solution for commercializing the gas.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:25:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  VAN TUYL,  Gas Commercialization  Manager, BP  Exploration                                                               
(Alaska) Inc.  (BP), stated that  BP is keenly interested  in the                                                               
gas line  project because  it represents  the largest  known, but                                                               
undeveloped, resource in  the company's portfolio.   He said that                                                               
the gas line  project plays a key role in  extending the economic                                                               
life of oil production on the  North Slope.  Therefore, BP stands                                                               
ready to work with the  new administration and the legislature to                                                               
reach a balanced  fiscal framework that works for  all parties so                                                               
that the  project can  successfully move  ahead.   This framework                                                               
will set  the foundation  for a stable,  healthy, and  viable oil                                                               
and gas business in Alaska for decades.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN TUYL pointed out  BP's long history of energy exploration                                                               
and  production  on  the  North   Slope,  and  that  the  company                                                               
envisions being  in Alaska  for another 50  years.   He discussed                                                               
BP's share  of possible energy  production in Alaska  through the                                                               
year  2050,  as   illustrated  on  slide  2   of  his  PowerPoint                                                               
presentation.    He emphasized  that  the  days of  high  plateau                                                               
production are  gone and that  while today's production  is still                                                               
significant, it will continue to decline.   He noted that BP will                                                               
need to invest  up to $1 billion annually  to maintain production                                                               
even though the  production is declining.  New  investment in gas                                                               
and heavy  oil resources is one  way to make up  for the decline,                                                               
but only  if there  is a gas  pipeline.  A  gas line  will extend                                                               
economic  oil production  from  the North  Slope  and will  allow                                                               
heavy  oil resources  to be  unlocked.   It will  create new  gas                                                               
exploration and development industry  in Alaska and will generate                                                               
a new  source of revenue for  both Alaska and BP.   He emphasized                                                               
that  BP's  future in  Alaska  is  directly  linked to  this  gas                                                               
pipeline project, but that this  opportunity also has world-scale                                                               
challenges.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:31:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN TUYL,  in response to several questions,  stated that the                                                               
projected net  production depicted on  slide 2 includes  both new                                                               
and current reserves.   The gas pipeline is seen  as an "enabler"                                                               
because  it   extends  the  base  life   of  facilities,  thereby                                                               
providing time  for development of  the technology  necessary for                                                               
accessing heavy  oil.  Additionally,  it is possible  that CO,  a                                                               
                                                             2                                                                  
byproduct of  the gas pipeline,  might also  be able to  be used.                                                               
He  further explained  that the  difference  between viscous  and                                                               
heavy oil is  the degree of viscosity, and that  heavy oil is the                                                               
thicker of the two.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  TUYL, in  response to  more questions,  said he  did not                                                               
know  what the  [daily]  flow through  the Trans-Alaska  Pipeline                                                               
System (TAPS)  was in  2003, but  that he thought  it was  in the                                                               
range of a  million barrels or slightly above.   He said that the                                                               
gross daily  flow today is  about 800,000 barrels.   He projected                                                               
that  if the  $1  billion annual  investment  is maintained,  the                                                               
percent decline in flow will be  about 6 percent per year; if the                                                               
rate  of  investment  is  increased or  decreased,  the  rate  of                                                               
decline will be more or less accordingly.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:34:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON  asked at  what  volume  does transporting  oil                                                               
through TAPS  become uneconomical and  when is this  projected to                                                               
occur.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN  TUYL said  that  he  did not  know,  but  that he  will                                                               
research the  information and  provide it to  the committee.   He                                                               
confirmed  Representative Gatto's  statement  that investment  in                                                               
new pump station  equipment has now provided the  ability to pump                                                               
a smaller volume of oil  through the pipeline than was previously                                                               
possible, and  that this  will extend the  life of  the pipeline.                                                               
He  noted that  investment  in renewal  of  existing North  Slope                                                               
facilities is  also necessary in  order to maintain  the economic                                                               
life of the oil fields.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:36:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON asked  how long before the gas  flows once there                                                               
is an agreement with somebody for [building] the gas pipeline.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN TUYL advised that once  the "ink is dry" on an agreement,                                                               
it  will  take about  10  years  provided that  everything  works                                                               
according to  plan.  However,  he said  that the answer  could be                                                               
different depending on who the "somebody" is.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:37:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON expressed his concern  that there will be a time                                                               
gap of  several years between  the end of  life for TAPS  and the                                                               
first flow of gas through a gas pipeline.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  TUYL, in  response to comments  by Co-Chair  Johnson and                                                               
further comments  by Co-Chair Gatto, related  that the Department                                                               
of  Revenue (DOR)  is predicting  the end  of economic  oil field                                                               
life in the year 2030.  He  said he was unsure how BP's forecasts                                                               
comported  with  the state's,  but  that  he would  provide  that                                                               
information to the committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:39:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  TUYL returned  to his  presentation and  reiterated that                                                               
the gas pipeline is a  huge opportunity that also has significant                                                               
risks,  as summarized  on slide  3 of  his presentation.  Project                                                               
risks include  the price,  the costs,  and fiscal  and regulatory                                                               
issues.  Price is a  significant risk because the resource owners                                                               
are  price takers,  not price  makers, and  this is  coupled with                                                               
price  volatility.    Costs for  materials,  fabrication,  labor,                                                               
engineering,  permitting,  and  equipment are  significant  risks                                                               
because they have  been rising dramatically in  recent years, and                                                               
that the  cost risk  is especially  amplified on  a mega-project.                                                               
He  defined  a "mega-project"  as  any  project costing  over  $1                                                               
billion.   He  said that  the Alaska  gas pipeline  would be  the                                                               
largest privately  funded infrastructure  project ever.   Another                                                               
significant risk  is the fiscal  risk and this risk  is mitigated                                                               
by the investor  knowing the rules.  He  emphasized that managing                                                               
costs  is absolutely  critical  to maximizing  the  value of  the                                                               
resource and  that [the entities]  holding the cost risk  must be                                                               
able to minimize and manage the costs.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  TUYL noted  that the  project's risks  ultimately reside                                                               
with the resource  owners - the state and the  lease holders.  He                                                               
reviewed details  of the various risks  depicted on Slide 4.   He                                                               
noted  that  price and  production  risks  are inherit  with  the                                                               
resource  itself,  and  that  fiscal  risks  to  the  lessee  are                                                               
upstream  changes in  government fiscal  terms, an  example being                                                               
the  Petroleum Profits  Tax  (PPT).   Changes  in the  regulatory                                                               
process  could  result  in  a  schedule  risk  for  building  the                                                               
pipeline.  There is a repayment  risk to the capital markets that                                                               
provide  financing  for  the  project.   He  explained  that  the                                                               
schedule and  capital market  risks, along  with the  cost risks,                                                               
are borne  by the pipeline  company.   The pipeline company  is a                                                               
federally regulated entity that earns  a regulated rate of return                                                               
on its equity.  The pipeline  company is limited in the amount of                                                               
risk that it is allowed to take,  so the risk is passed on to the                                                               
resource  owners   via  the  pipeline   toll.    Thus,   all  the                                                               
aforementioned  risks are  ultimately  borne  either directly  or                                                               
indirectly by  the resource  owners that  obtain capacity  on the                                                               
gas pipeline.  Mr. van  Tuyl explained the difference between the                                                               
terms "toll" and a "tariff."  A  "toll" is the unit rate for cost                                                               
of service  on the pipeline.   A "tariff" includes the  toll plus                                                               
the  associated written  terms and  conditions  for the  pipeline                                                               
service.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:47:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  TUYL emphasized that  those entities bearing a  risk are                                                               
commercially motivated  to manage  that risk  downward.   He said                                                               
that the producers are best  positioned to manage the key project                                                               
risks by having  their affiliates own the pipeline.   He directed                                                               
attention  to slide  5 and  discussed  why BP  believes that  the                                                               
three  producers are  the best  qualified and  most motivated  to                                                               
deliver a  successful project.   He defined  "successful project"                                                               
as being a  low cost, timely project that maximizes  the value of                                                               
Alaska's gas resource.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  TUYL said  that BP,  ConocoPhillips, and  ExxonMobil are                                                               
qualified   because  they   have  a   proven  track   record  in:                                                               
successfully  delivering  mega-projects,  developing  technology,                                                               
pioneering Arctic  energy development,  and having  the financial                                                               
capability to  make the multi-billion dollar  firm transportation                                                               
(FT) commitments  necessary for this  project.  As an  example of                                                               
mega-project  experience, Mr.  van  Tuyl noted  that  in 2006  BP                                                               
successfully  delivered  the   largest,  most  complex  midstream                                                               
project in  the world - the  Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan Pipeline Company                                                               
("BTC Co") project.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN TUYL  conveyed that the three  producers are commercially                                                               
motivated  to  deliver  a  low capital-cost  project  and  a  low                                                               
operating-cost  project.   A low-cost  project results  in a  low                                                               
toll and  maximum gas netback,  thus maximizing the value  of the                                                               
gas to  the producers and  the state.   He reiterated that  BP is                                                               
strongly motivated  to deliver a  successful project  because the                                                               
gas line is the key to BP's  50-year vision for its future on the                                                               
North Slope.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  TUYL contended that  a third-party pipeline  operator is                                                               
not  commercially motivated  to keep  the costs  low because  the                                                               
operator's only  source of income  is the pipeline tariff.   Cost                                                               
increases will raise the rate  base that the pipeline operator is                                                               
allowed  to   charge,  subsequently  reducing  the   netback  and                                                               
resource  value  for  the  state and  producers.    A  producer's                                                               
commercial  motivation is  to develop  the  resources, not  leave                                                               
them undeveloped.   Therefore,  BP wants  to advance  the project                                                               
promptly,  but  with discipline  to  ensure  that the  costs  are                                                               
managed.   He  advised  that access  to  either a  producer-owned                                                               
pipeline  or a  third-party-owned  pipeline is  exactly the  same                                                               
because  access  is governed  by  the  Federal Energy  Regulatory                                                               
Commission  (FERC) in  the  U.S. and  the  National Energy  Board                                                               
(NEB) in Canada.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN TUYL  opined that the key is getting  the risk and reward                                                               
balance right.   An  open process,  with the  same rules  for all                                                               
parties, will allow the free market  to work and move the project                                                               
forward.   The talk  will end  and the work  will begin  once the                                                               
risk and reward balance is jointly  defined.  He declared that BP                                                               
stands ready, willing,  and able to work in that  open process so                                                               
the project can begin.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:56:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN TUYL,  in response  to Representative  Roses, reiterated                                                               
that BP feels  it is the most qualified for  the gas line project                                                               
because  of its  international  experience, technical  expertise,                                                               
and  commercial  motivation.     He  said  that  BP's  commercial                                                               
motivation  is key  because it  owns  the resource  and wants  to                                                               
deliver that resource to the market at the lowest possible cost.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:57:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO  questioned whether BP  is really a  price "taker"                                                               
rather than a  price "maker," given that it is  both an owner and                                                               
a major marketer of natural gas.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN TUYL  said  that BP's  production is  only  five to  six                                                               
percent  of the  market  and  that the  company  is considered  a                                                               
"merchant marketer" because it markets  other companies' gas.  He                                                               
said that the market itself is  highly regulated and that BP must                                                               
"take the price that the market makes available to us."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN TUYL, in response  to questions from Co-Chair Gatto about                                                               
the BTC  Co project,  confirmed that  the oil-related  segment of                                                               
the BTC Co  project is complete and that  the gas-related segment                                                               
is nearing completion.   He explained that  the midstream portion                                                               
of the  BTC Co project  is analogous  to the Alaska  gas pipeline                                                               
project and that  it is built on "the back  of a fiscal stability                                                               
agreement"  with  the  governments  of  Azerbaijan,  Turkey,  and                                                               
Georgia, and  that this  agreement provided the  terms for  a 60-                                                               
year,  fiscal-stability contract.    The 60-year  lock on  fiscal                                                               
terms is  the "government-take"  and would  be equivalent  to the                                                               
taxes and royalties associated with  the Alaska gas pipeline.  In                                                               
further response  to Co-Chair  Gatto, Mr. van  Tuyl said  that BP                                                               
has entered  into long-term  lease agreements  with the  state to                                                               
have  access to  the  resource  for the  purpose  of selling  it.                                                               
Commercially,  whether in  effect  or in  legality,  BP gets  the                                                               
economic benefit  from that lease  or "ownership."  He  noted his                                                               
agreement with  Co-Chair Gatto that  a lease is treated  the same                                                               
way as ownership.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:02:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON  asked  what  kind  of  financial  resources  a                                                               
company would need to have  to undertake the gas pipeline project                                                               
if that company did not have FTs to finance the project.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN TUYL advised that  the $20-$30 billion of investment that                                                               
will be  required for building  the pipeline is greater  than the                                                               
market  capitalization  of   most  companies,  including  General                                                               
Motors Corporation.   There must be confidence  that the pipeline                                                               
is  being  undertaken  by  a  company that  has  the  ability  to                                                               
backstop  the   investment  required  to  deliver   a  successful                                                               
project.    He  agreed  with   Co-Chair  Johnson  that  not  many                                                               
companies would have this ability.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:04:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG  expressed  his  concern  regarding  a                                                               
recent FERC ruling  that is being disputed by the  producers.  In                                                               
his opinion,  this dispute challenges  the best interests  of the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN  TUYL  offered  his  belief  that  the  challenge  being                                                               
referenced is FERC Order 2005-A.   He explained that this dispute                                                               
is over the  narrow issue of whether or not  the FERC can mandate                                                               
design changes  after an open  season, and that this  dispute has                                                               
nothing  to do  with the  open  access rules.   He  said that  BP                                                               
supports open  access because exploration  volumes are  needed to                                                               
keep the pipeline  toll low and provide benefit  to all entities.                                                               
In  response to  further  questions, Mr.  van  Tuyl related  that                                                               
access to  TAPS is granted  under the Natural  Gas Act of  2004 -                                                               
any entity can obtain capacity to  the pipeline any time there is                                                               
an open season.  He stated that  he did not know if arguments had                                                               
yet been made before the FERC  regarding Order 2005-A and that he                                                               
will get further information to the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:07:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO turned the gavel over to Co-Chair Johnson.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:07:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  inquired as  to whether  only lease  owners can                                                               
enter into  FTs; in other  words, could  a third party  that does                                                               
not hold leases make an FT.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  TUYL related that any  party can come to  an open season                                                               
and receive  capacity on an open  access pipeline as long  as the                                                               
party makes  the commitment  for a  certain volume  of gas  for a                                                               
certain period  of time.  He  said that in the  U.S., any natural                                                               
gas  pipeline  that  moves  gas inter-state  is  an  open  access                                                               
pipeline.  He further explained  that obtaining pipeline capacity                                                               
is a corporate  or individual commitment and that  an entity that                                                               
does  not own  gas today,  but  is expecting  to own  gas in  the                                                               
future, could go  to an open season.  However,  he cautioned that                                                               
shipper pay commitments obligate an  entity to pay for moving gas                                                               
whether or not it actually does so.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:09:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON asked  whether BP would still  participate in an                                                               
open season if it is not chosen to construct the gas pipeline.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN TUYL  stressed  that the  project must  be  low cost  to                                                               
ensure that the tariff  will be low enough for BP  to get its gas                                                               
to market for a reasonable rate.   He said that BP, as a resource                                                               
owner, would also  need some form of guarantee that  the risks it                                                               
bears  have been  managed, particularly  the fiscal  risk on  the                                                               
upstream business.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:11:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WENDY  KING,  Director  of  External  Strategies,  ConocoPhillips                                                               
Alaska,  Inc.   (ConocoPhillips),  assured  the   committee  that                                                               
ConocoPhillips  is  committed  to   advancing  the  gas  pipeline                                                               
project.  While  her supervisor, Joe Marushack, has  moved to the                                                               
company's Australian operations, an  experienced and capable team                                                               
is continuing to  work on the pipeline.  She  advised that timing                                                               
on this  project is a  real issue because competition  is growing                                                               
and  the gas  market is  volatile.   A volatile  market tends  to                                                               
correct  itself and  the demand  will look  to additional  or new                                                               
sources to feed  itself, such as coal and LNG.   Another issue is                                                               
competition  for the  actual critical  components needed  for the                                                               
project, such as steel, machinery, and  labor.  She said there is                                                               
common agreement that a project  of this magnitude and complexity                                                               
will take a  timeframe of 9-10 years.  She  emphasized that it is                                                               
important for the  market to see Alaska gas  coming forward soon.                                                               
Due to this  sense of urgency, ConocoPhillips will  be doing what                                                               
it can to find creative solutions to move this project forward.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KING  said  ConocoPhillips  believes that  if  the  resource                                                               
issues are addressed and firm  shipping commitments are made, the                                                               
pipeline project will  happen.  She defined  "resource issues" as                                                               
being the  upstream portions of  the project.  She  explained the                                                               
concept of "netback" - if the market  price is $6 and it costs $5                                                               
to get the gas  to market, then the netback is $1.   That $1 will                                                               
have to  cover the costs  of finding, exploring,  developing, and                                                               
paying the taxes and royalties on  that gas.  Thus delivering the                                                               
highest  netback  is  something  that  ConocoPhillips  is  keenly                                                               
interested in.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:16:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KING noted  that  a long-term  shipping commitment  requires                                                               
payment to the pipeline operator  regardless of whether a company                                                               
actually ships  gas on  the pipeline  every day.   She  said that                                                               
long-term shipping  commitments will  be made  in an  open season                                                               
within  18-24  months  of  the project  moving  forward.    These                                                               
commitments are key  to financing the project and  enabling it to                                                               
move  ahead.    If  the  shipping commitments  are  based  on  an                                                               
estimated toll  of $3 and  then the  actual cost of  building the                                                               
pipeline  is  higher,  the toll  will  increase  proportionately.                                                               
This  means  that  the  resource   owners  holding  the  shipping                                                               
commitments will be "on the hook"  for cost overruns, and that is                                                               
why [the  three producers] are  uniquely motivated to  keep those                                                               
costs down.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KING  emphasized that the  two components  of the gas  line -                                                               
the resource and  the pipeline - have  very different risk-reward                                                               
balances.   The pipeline owner,  unlike the resource  owners, has                                                               
stability  and low  risk because  the  return is  regulated -  if                                                               
costs or  taxes go  up, regulations allow  the pipeline  owner to                                                               
pass on those increases by raising  the toll.  She noted that the                                                               
only time a pipeline owner has  risk is prior to the open season.                                                               
She  said that  ConocoPhillips estimates  that the  upfront costs                                                               
prior to the open season will  be about $400 million gross.  This                                                               
estimate  is based  on four  seasons  of gathering  environmental                                                               
field   data  for   the  preparation   of  environmental   impact                                                               
statements for  FERC and  NEB.   In response  to a  question, Ms.                                                               
King  said  that she  did  not  know  whether this  estimate  for                                                               
upfront costs would be the same  for other companies, but that it                                                               
is consistent  with the  expenses being  incurred on  other large                                                               
pipeline projects.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:20:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON asked  what would  happen if  no FTs  were made                                                               
during  the  gas  pipeline's  open season.  Would  that  be  $400                                                               
million of upfront costs down the drain?                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KING  stated that the  initial $400  million is a  very small                                                               
risk in the  scheme of this project.  She  explained that getting                                                               
to  the project  sanction point  will cost  about $1  billion and                                                               
take roughly four  years:  18-24 months to get  to open season, 6                                                               
months for  the open  season window,  and about  2 years  for the                                                               
FERC and NEB  permitting phases.  During the  period between open                                                               
season  and  the  project  sanction point,  there  will  be  firm                                                               
shipping  commitments behind  [the $1  billion in  expenditures].                                                               
She further  stated that the  $400 million of exposure  must also                                                               
be looked  at in comparison to  the total cost of  completing the                                                               
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:22:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON commented  that $400  million may  not be  much                                                               
money to  ConocoPhillips, but that  it is a  lot of money  to the                                                               
state and other people and that is  why he is asking what kind of                                                               
a  balance sheet  would be  required for  financing this  project                                                               
upfront.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:23:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.   KING,  in   response  to   questions  from   Representative                                                               
Guttenberg,  clarified  that the  figures  and  timelines she  is                                                               
quoting are  for the  Alaska North  Slope to  Alberta ("A  to B")                                                               
portion  of the  project, as  well as  additional commercial  and                                                               
engineering  work  to  develop   the  appropriate  solution  from                                                               
Alberta  to  the  Lower  48  market.    In  response  to  further                                                               
questions, Ms.  King acknowledged  that she is  not an  expert on                                                               
the   Canadian  regulatory   regime,   but  that   ConocoPhillips                                                               
currently has people in Canada  working to lay the foundation for                                                               
building  the  pipeline  through  Canada.   She  emphasized  that                                                               
ConocoPhillips  believes there  is a  solution in  Canada because                                                               
the project will also bring benefits to that country.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. KING  cautioned that discussion on  pipeline "what-ifs" could                                                               
become endless.   She advised  that at  some point there  must be                                                               
focus on  "the size of  the prize."   Moving the  project forward                                                               
will provide the opportunity for  looking at other things such as                                                               
spur  lines,   extracting  different  portions  of   natural  gas                                                               
liquids,  other   jobs,  and  new  exploration   and  development                                                               
prospects.   Ms. King then  warned against assumptions  that this                                                               
project is  a "guaranteed  economic return."   All  projects have                                                               
risks and these  risks are based on several issues:   what is the                                                               
price of  the commodity, what  is the  cost of the  project, will                                                               
the reserves be  there, and can the reserves be  delivered at the                                                               
rate.  She said that predicting  gas prices for the next 50 years                                                               
is basically  impossible.  Regarding  the project cost,  she said                                                               
that  ConocoPhillips spent  one  million  man-hours studying  the                                                               
last   cost   estimate.     Since   costs   have   escalated   so                                                               
significantly,  ConocoPhillips cannot  give a  new estimate  with                                                               
confidence until  more engineering, technical,  and environmental                                                               
work  is completed.   Ms.  King related  that U.S.  Department of                                                               
Energy (DOE)  statistics show that exploration,  development, and                                                               
production costs have doubled since  1999.  Additionally, the $20                                                               
billion project estimate does not  include the costs of preparing                                                               
the upstream  fields.   She also  pointed out  that a  project of                                                               
this  magnitude will  put a  strain on  resources throughout  the                                                               
entire world.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:30:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KING  stated that ConocoPhillips  will have to find  more gas                                                               
reserves if  it signs a  20-year shipping commitment.   This will                                                               
require  additional investment  and  there is  no guarantee  that                                                               
those  reserves will  actually  be there.    Companies with  firm                                                               
shipping commitments will be on the  hook for tens of billions of                                                               
dollars,   possibly  even   hundreds   of   billions,  and   this                                                               
significant  amount of  investment requires  getting the  highest                                                               
netback  possible.    She  said   that  ConocoPhillips  wants  an                                                               
ownership position in the pipeline  in order to align its project                                                               
risk with  its shipping commitment  risk.  During periods  of low                                                               
gas prices,  ownership of the  pipeline provides a  hedge because                                                               
the  company  is  paying  itself.   She  pointed  out  that  this                                                               
advantage would also  have been there for the state  had it taken                                                               
an   ownership   in   the  pipeline.      She   emphasized   that                                                               
ConocoPhillips will  be motivated  to keep the  costs down  if it                                                               
owns the pipeline.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. KING  maintained that ConocoPhillips would  bring management,                                                               
technical,  environmental,   and  regulatory  expertise   to  the                                                               
project.    The   company  is  experienced  in   Arctic  and  LNG                                                               
operations, as well as world-wide  mega-projects.  She noted that                                                               
ConocoPhillips  owns   29,000  miles  of  pipeline   through  its                                                               
downstream refining  and marketing business, and  the company has                                                               
another  56,000  miles  of  pipeline  in  the  U.S.  through  its                                                               
midstream  relationship with  Duke  Energy Field  Services.   She                                                               
noted that  ConocoPhillips is  also a  significant player  in the                                                               
chemicals  business  through  Chevron Phillips  Chemical  Company                                                               
LLC.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KING pointed  out that  ConocoPhillips  is Alaska's  largest                                                               
explorer and  that it  would like  to bring  in partners  and co-                                                               
venturers because it does not  like to drill exploration wells at                                                               
100 percent working  interest.  Spreading out  working risk among                                                               
numerous exploration wells gives  a "portfolio approach" and this                                                               
is  why ConocoPhillips  wants  new partners  and  entrants.   She                                                               
returned to  the issue of netback  and noted that the  higher the                                                               
netback, the greater the motivation to explore for more gas.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:34:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KING  addressed the  issue of  FERC Order  2005-A.   She said                                                               
that  if the  design is  changed after  a company  completes four                                                               
years  of environmental,  engineering,  and  permitting work,  it                                                               
will   take   another  two   years   to   do  the   work   again.                                                               
ConocoPhillips is only challenging this narrow issue, she said.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. KING pointed out that  ConocoPhillips is a large company with                                                               
assets of $165  billion as of the  end of 2006.   The company has                                                               
access to capital and to financial  markets that will help with a                                                               
project  of this  magnitude.   As a  36 percent  working interest                                                               
owner   in  Prudhoe   Bay  and   an  owner   in  Point   Thomson,                                                               
ConocoPhillips also  has access  to the resource.   Additionally,                                                               
ConocoPhillips  has a  large position  in  exploration and  other                                                               
assets on the North Slope.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. KING stressed  that ConocoPhillips is ready  to solve issues.                                                               
The  resource  issues must  be  addressed  by providing  adequate                                                               
security to the companies that  are being asked to make long-term                                                               
shipping commitments.   She  said that Prudhoe  Bay is  unique to                                                               
making  this project  happen  because of  its  large natural  gas                                                               
volume.   Since ConocoPhillips,  ExxonMobil, and BP  have working                                                               
interest owner  positions in Prudhoe  Bay, they will be  asked to                                                               
make   large  shipping   commitments.      She  reiterated   that                                                               
ConocoPhillips believes  there is value in  aligning an ownership                                                               
position with  a shipping  commitment.   Timing is  important and                                                               
ConocoPhillips wants to find new  ways to come up with compromise                                                               
for moving  the project forward.   The prize is tens  of billions                                                               
of dollars - if  natural gas prices hold and if  the costs can be                                                               
managed.     Additionally,   the  project   will  create   a  new                                                               
exploration business for gas.   Thus, ConocoPhillips is motivated                                                               
to find solutions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:38:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  requested that the three  producers provide the                                                               
committee  with information  regarding  whether there  will be  a                                                               
time   gap  between   when  moving   oil  through   TAPS  becomes                                                               
uneconomical  and  when  gas  begins   flowing  through  the  gas                                                               
pipeline.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:39:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 3:40 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects